Thursday 13 December 2012

Some Thoughts on Training Your Dog Before You Start Training Your Dog! Kris Kotsopoulos - Von Forell Australia


Some Thoughts on Training Your Dog 
Before
You Start Training Your Dog!

Kris Kotsopoulos Von Forell Australia      www.vonforell.com        www.precisiontrackingdogs.com


For some time, I have been observing and working with dog trainers and the results they achieve. From these careful observations and from discussions with many, my observation is that the root of the confusion that most dogs seem to have is that they are unsure of what is expected of them and or are simply genetically unequipped to meet the training demands. This confusion is also a result of a trainers lack of awareness and or the inability to work with the inherited reflexive mechanism that dogs operate from.

Consequently, I have long questioned the wisdom of conventional breeding and training methodology and ultimately developed insights into dog breeding and training that will give breeders, trainers and handlers a strategy to develop and then teach their dogs how to deal with an emotionally charged mindset.


The result is an idea that illustrates what can be accomplished when modern canine training technology compliments scientific learning theory cultivated from deep behavioural analysis. It paves the way for a training system that least complicates dogs and their handlers.

This dog training idea has come to light with careful consideration for the fact that we humans are limited in our roles as trainers. We do not have the capability to fully comprehend what an emotionally charged “canine” mind is processing let alone conditioning it appropriately to serve our intended application whatever it may be.

Training a dog is unlike training any other animal. I believe that most people assume that training would be natural for most dogs, and that training should, in fact, be simple. Although we may assume that training is natural for dogs, the reality is that without the right dog, a skilled handler and trainer; a successful outcome is seldom possible.

The handler and trainers’ task is to observe and read the dogs behaviour and have an organised method of assisting the dog in re-establishing mental homeostasis so that the dog is able to achieve drive fulfilment  The principles of dog training are a team effort from both the handler and the trainer beginning first and foremost with the appropriate canine selection.


From my standpoint as a canine trainer, my Seminars / Workshops are geared towards the apparent complexity of the process. This complexity can be simplified when the correct steps are taken to ensure that all components that make a quality dog and training are in place and in the right order. 

To the dog handler, it is my hope that these educational forums will give a better understanding in the area of breeding, selection and the training of dogs that has never been quite fully understood before providing a deep inquiry on how we get from the nest to a dog that is full of instinctive expression harnessed by thoughtful scientific training models.

The information presented is philosophical as much as it is technical and is orientated to all elements that must be present before complex training can commence. Each and every training session must be a structured and a positive occasion for the dog and handler with the idea that thoughtless forced learning will only lead to resistance and make application of these systems almost impossible.


For if all the correct behaviours are not instinctively  present, our job of mental and physical preparation is impossible for any application. The correct dog is also as critical for a quality result.

Additionally, care needs to be exercised so that the dog is not over stimulated negatively as its cognitive function will be impaired as much as if the dog is experiencing anxiety and fear. The chemical imbalance in the brain reduces cognitive functioning and poor learning results in the dog:

Furthermore;

I am convinced of a basic philosophy. No matter what quandaries we face be it business problems, health issues, and relationship difficulties, as well as the great scientific, social, and cultural challenges of our time - there is always an idea that can enable us to prevail.

Furthermore, we can and should seek that idea. And when we find it, we should implement it. Rather than simply accept compromised training recommendations or limited guidance. I have sought to understand the true nature of animal learning with the focus on canine learning and to apply all of the ideas that I could gather to overcome canine training problems. I am satisfied that my aggressive pursuit of these ideas has enabled me to overcome many of the these challenges, yet I must confess that there are many that still remain.

Often the “good idea” that overcomes a problem is not a single idea at all but rather a set of ideas, each of which chips away at the challenge until the problem is resolved. For example, there is no single silver bullet for teaching your dog to avoid making mistakes (at least not yet). There are many ways of teaching drive development, an out, building searches , heeling, sit, down and stand, etc. Our military does not go to battle with only a single weapon. They harness all the tools available to ensure success and I advocate the same. I feel as canine trainers we should all fill our tool bag with as many tools (training tools) so that we can set up and create the best possible outcome with a primary focus on error less learning.


In addition, the good ideas you apply to solve a problem don’t have to be your own ideas. There are hundreds of world class animal trainers around the world who are advancing our knowledge in the area of genetics, breeding and optimal animal performance, and the real challenge is finding which of their ideas apply to your individual issues and goals.

The theories and methodology discussed in my Seminars may be a good start for anyone seeking to overcome or simply not create training problems, and to achieve and maintain optimum performance. If there is a single message that I would underscore as most important, it is that you make the commitment to improving your own breeding and training philosophy.


However, there are few assumptions that we need to acknowledge the existence of in social systems which add to the difficulty in reading literature alone.
They are;
a)      Information is evenly distributed amongst society

b)      Humans behave rationally

And assumption they are;  as I find this human condition of “behaving rationally” to be “far from reality” and  it is well known that;

a)       People act on incomplete information

b)      There are gaps between perception and reality which don’t just last days and weeks  but can last for decades

c)       Common sense is an unreliable reference claim

d)       People have different views of what common sense is

e)       Common sense changes over time

f)        Common sense is not clearly stated or documented

I personally don’t believe information is enough to come to rational decisions; simply because you have to interpret the information, in order to have to make judgement about what is about to happen and what is going to happen depends on your judgement. Therefore it is not something to be known, it is something to be decided which is governed by your bias, which then manifests itself and this in itself is a reinforcing process, so you can see how you can dig yourself into a very deep hole.


Actions alone are also not enough as they have unintended consequences: Science has proved that there is a half second time lapse between what has actually occurred and what you see half a second later due to the fact that it takes that long for your mind to process the information.  There is also a well known process in which one’s ability to use prior knowledge to plan a strategy for approaching a learning task, take necessary steps to problem solve, reflect on and evaluate results, and modify one’s approach as needed. It helps learners choose the right cognitive tool for the task and plays a critical role in successful learning called Metacognition.


Metacognition refers to awareness of one’s own knowledge - what one does and doesn't know - and one’s ability to understand, control, and manipulate one’s cognitive processes (Meichenbaum, 1985). It includes knowing when and where to use particular strategies for learning and problem solving as well as how and why to use specific strategies.

Metacognition is the ability to use prior knowledge to plan a strategy for approaching a learning task, take necessary steps to problem solve, reflect on and evaluate results, and modify one’s approach as needed. Flavell (1976), who first used the term, offers the following example: I am engaging in metacognition if I notice that I am having more trouble learning A than B; if it strikes me that I should double check C before accepting it as fact.

Cognitive strategies are the basic mental abilities we use to think, study, and learn (e.g., recalling information from memory, analyzing sounds and images, making associations between or comparing/ contrasting different pieces of information, and making inferences or interpreting text). They help an individual achieve a particular goal, such as comprehending text or solving a math problem, and they can be individually identified and measured.

In contrast, metacognitive strategies are used to ensure that an overarching learning goal is being or has been reached. Examples of metacognitive activities include planning how to approach a learning task, using appropriate skills and strategies to solve a problem, monitoring one’s own comprehension of text, self-assessing and self-correcting in response to the self-assessment, evaluating progress toward the completion of a task, and becoming aware of distracting stimuli. So, being aware of the metacognitive process is very important in all aspects of life and is imperative when training dogs.

Furthermore, I have been thinking about a phenomenon I have never really been able to express until recently.

Since 1997 I have discussed this phenomenon in many of our seminars /workshops and with many of my colleagues.  Most agree whilst others glare at me with a look of anguish. Reflexivity is a concept that has been around since the 70’s in social sciences and anthropology and I have been discussing it within working dog training circles specifically since 2005.  I believe it is what was missing in my teachings and perhaps may be of interest not only for training dogs but the betterment of our dog world and everything in it.


To date I have had tremendous problems is attempting to describe what I am observing during my time working with dogs and like anyone who strives to better understanding between man and dog relationships, I am always looking for a better way of describing learning systems and the mechanics of behavior.  I guess this is only possible because of  relentless enthusiasm and analysis by many.   My view of the world or epistemology is that sophisticated management comes from a better understanding of reflexive connections; a notion of one behavior hitting another and then bouncing back again into each other. Think about what is happening around the World today and in our case think about your working relationship with your dog!

I must also point out that I am not one to believe that I am always right and I am also very aware that extreme rigidity in beliefs and dangerous illusions can work against you; hence I am very interested in engaging in future discussions with all, because for me the concept of knowledge is continuous learning.

All misunderstandings that occur as a result of reading any other dog trainers writings is a clear example of the difficulty in trying to describe how to train dogs. However by adopting the process of irreducible complexity one can deduce what is required to be in place for a canine training program to work logically and in line with a dogs instincts. 

Irreducible complexity is a term used to describe a characteristic of certain complex systems whereby they need all of their individual component / parts in place in order to function. In other words, it is impossible to reduce the complexity of (or to simplify) an irreducibly complex system by removing any of its component parts and still maintain its functionality.

An example is a mouse trap, remove one component and it won’t work.

Dog training is that way in design and once you understand this concept, it becomes incredibly clear of how to better train your dog to complete any task. Of course training dogs takes understanding of learning systems and experience and realizing that imperfect understanding is a human condition and that there is no shame in being wrong, only in failing to correct our mistakes.


Hope to see you in one of our workshops. If you are not able to attend one, please feel free to contact our office directly for private consultation for all your canine requirements.

Kris Kotsopoulos

Von Forell Australia




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28 comments:

  1. I found Kris' November seminar in Perth to be very incite full, and his style of presenting easy to follow and engaging. He managed to get such a large amount of information across in a very short period of time. Watching him work the dogs was also particularly educational and inspirational for me."

    Kind regards

    Vida (Western Australia)

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  2. I have just come back from a mind bending two days of dog training bliss. It has been several years since I have had the opportunity to attend any training seminars or workshops and am very glad that I made the effort to get to Dural NSW. The timing was right, the money was there and the time off from work was negotiated, it all fell into place.

    The organization of the two days was second to none, professional and friendly all round with well spaced breaks to accommodate brain overloads. The balance between sitting and taking in complex tutorials and then going out to the training field to see it all in action was a stimulating mix and kept me focused even through fatigue from travel.

    I only wish that I could have traveled with a dog and been on the training field myself, that would have rounded out the experience for me.
    It has been about 17 years since I have trained with Kris and others from his genre, we were all a lot younger then!

    I must say though that now when I see you work Kris you have an amazing sensitivity to your training and an ability to translate and pass on what you see and feel through the dog. It made me tear up to see you working those pups and bringing out the best in the little ones with a gentle touch and at their level.

    There was also a wonderful cross section of dogs, in breed and learning levels to watch and see improve over the two days. The improvement in the handling was also very obvious and even though there was some laughs it was a team environment all the way and very supportive.

    The blend of old, young, professional trainers and breeders created a dynamic base to interact with and bounce off ideas.

    I am grateful for the opportunity I was given to attend and learn once again from Kris and encourage all those out there who train with working dogs both civilian and services to take the next workshop available.

    Thank you Glen who made it all happen, brilliant!

    Kylie Bright Victoria

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  3. Kris' workshop has changed my whole perspective on breeding, training and raising dogs. He has so much knowledge and he clearly answers any questions you throw at him without hesitation.

    The decoy side of the workshop has given me a better understanding on reading behavior which allows me to promptly reward for the correct behavior. The workshop is for anyone that wants to progress with their dog and a must for all breeders and anyone working with dogs.

    Thanks for the awesome two days and looking forward to attending more workshops!

    Chris Wyrewenaden Western Australia

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  4. After being involved with in training, breeding and showing dogs for over 20 years under both Sablecraft working lines and Madrodish show lines it was a pleasure to attend the WA 2012 Von Forell workshop.

    Once in a lifetime (if you are lucky).. a person can walk into your life and change your outlook and totally open your eyes to a whole new perspective… I was fortunate enough to experience this at this weekend’s training seminar in Perth WA (Nov 10 -11 2012)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Lo1IiAmu8&feature=youtu.be

    Not only was I impressed, to watch a room full of people awakening to Kris’s philosophy with regards to canine training and motivators of behaviour. To see the practical demonstrations come to life on the field was a fabulous experience.

    I feel honoured and privileged to know Kris and to have been lucky enough to train with him and further to that to spend time with him personally discussing all aspects of genetics, breeding, imprinting, early development of puppies.

    Adopting his training and breeding philosophy and incorporating Von Forell bloodlines into our current breeding program at Sablecraft, gives WA its most exciting working shepherd litters to date. Kris’s generosity has made all this possible.

    Look forward to seeing him at WA’s 2013 Obedience In Drive Workshop

    Rod and Trish Humphries

    Sablecraft German Shepherds, WA

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  5. For anyone considering attending a Von Forell training seminar, I cannot recommend it highly enough.

    My knowledge of Von Forell was somewhat limited and I guess my initial thoughts were that it would be geared to protection training only but the information gained from Kris' professional presentation (and honest answers to questions from the participants throughout the sessions) was extremely thought-provoking and I came away from the weekend with a greater perception of what makes our dogs tick and dog training in general.

    The practical side was fantastic and it was great to watch and participate, with running commentary from Kris so we knew what body language each dog was displaying.

    All in all, a great weekend and thank you for giving us the opportunity to attend your workshop. Hope to see you again in WA in the not too distant future.

    Cheers,

    Heather Barron Western Australia

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  6. I attended Kris Kotsopoulos from Von Forell Decoy Workshop on the 10th / 11th Nov 12, 2012 it was a weekend well spent learning how to improve my dog training skills.

    In our class we had a wide range of dog people from the novice owners to people with 20+ years with training experience. All who attended the workshop found it to be very educational & enjoyable.

    Kris is an exceptional lecturer with his wealth of knowledge & experiences & would highly recommend anyone involved in dog training no matter what level or type of dog training or dog owners to attend one of his workshops in the future, I know I will be!!!!

    Pat Jones Western Australia

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  7. Thank you Kris for the weekend of highly entertaining and informative dog training work shop. The well presented and planned classroom formal sessions prepared our group of West Aussies systematically for the hands on sessions with our dogs. This work shop catered for an audience of diverse backgrounds and breeds in such a way that Kris improved EVERY dog and EVERY handler- which is no mean feat.

    As a professional horse trainer for over 20 yrs I have been coached by a myriad of Olympic, World Cup and international equestrians (also having instructed riders and trained horses to World Cup level) and I have been in dozens of equestrian clinics and training days. From this experience I can assure you that Kris teaches at the level of the very best highly intuitive coaches.

    Thank you Kris for taking the time to travel out West, and a huge thank you for breeding such incredible dogs. My doberwoman Von Forell Leila is by far the best out of the 6 Dobermanns I have owned, (including her), on so many levels and this work shop has helped developed Leila at an extraordinary rate.

    Do one of these workshops- get the most out of your dog!

    Melanie Cuomo Western Australia

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  8. Hi Kris

    I would like to thank you for the very informative Decoy /Clear Communication

    workshop for C.E.T. - Canine Education and Training , Western Australia.

    I am sure it was appreciated by all who attended including myself. I have gained a wide insight of how to further train my dogs, and on the breeding, genetics and selecting of working dog lineage.

    We could all see how much more our dogs developed under Kris's expert handling and guidance ...it was great for him to teach us how to read the dogs and not to push them to far to bring out the fear and avoidance factors.

    I myself found the whole weekend very worth while and would not hesitate to recommend it to others, and am looking forward to attending the workshop (meeting/rendezvous) next year.

    Thank you very much Kris for your time and knowledge

    Alan McKendry Perth Western Australia

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  9. It is with pleasure that I report on Kris Kotsopoulos, Von Forell Workshop Western Australia 2012.

    Canine Education and Training was proud to host such an exciting and educational weekend.

    Dog training enthusiasts came together from a number of training and breed clubs.

    The workshop included everything from theory, pictures, videos and live demonstrations with over 18 dogs.

    There where 30+ attendees including National Schutzhund champion, behaviorists, chief training instructors, breeders, trainers, pet owners and dog lovers.

    The fact that EVERYONE got a lot out of the workshop is testament to Kris' ability to clearly deliver such world class information.

    During the practical demonstrations Kris coached up to 7 decoys. By the end of the weekend they had all improved and grown in their ability to read behavior, reward behavior and understand key motivators behind all the behavior.

    I would like to thank Kris for spending time with me and offering such great insight and advice.

    You truly are my coach

    Kind regards

    Seth Pywell

    Canine Education & Training

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  10. Hi Kris and Tonia,

    I'm writing to tell you what a fantastic experience this two day workshop has been for us - a real eye-opener. Our understanding about the nature and training requirements for protection / working dogs has taken a massive leap forward. As the private owner of Von Forell German Shepherd puppy, it was clear from the responses around us that other owners, breeders, and trainers on the course were similarly affected.

    Perhaps the first aspect of protection dog training to impact us was the fact that a protection dog is a certain type of dog, one that is programmed genetically, then brought to engagement through specific training and care. The protective behaviours are then just a natural extension of the integrity and spirit inherent in the dog from the beginning.

    The magic begins in the breeding and selection process, and then just carried through to maturity by respectful handling and shaping of the dog within it's specified environment. You can't expect just any dog to fulfill this expectation. It's a "horses for courses" scenario, and accepting a highly spirited dog is part of the package. It's the drive factor that is all important, and accepting the responsibility that handling that drive as carefully as a high-powered vehicle is a requirement.

    The advantages of the Von Forell Training Systems was abundantly clear. Any concern that this was painful or harmful to the dog at all was quickly dispelled through clear explanation.

    The next powerful awareness was a greater understanding of the true nature of dogs, and how the selection and breeding processes need to reinforce the relationship the general public has with the concept of dog ownership and responsibility. Rather than a "them" and "us" mentality, support for dog ownership and interaction with dogs needs to happen at a community level.

    This begins with some pretty basic education about the motivation governing a dog's behaviour. Our community are expected to take on board basic road rules and respect for moving vehicles. This isn't much different, however it is chronically lacking. The difference between innate, positive drive principles and unwanted defensive aggression, and public confusion of the two, are a prime example.

    Thirdly, our five month old German Shepherd had an absolute ball !! He was so motivated with enjoyment that he was charging to the car this morning in anticipation of repeating yesterday's activities with the trainers. To see dog after dog leaving the arena with heads and tails held high, their hard-won tug-toy or training-sleeve prizes gripped firmly in their jaws, was a joy to witness. The dogs engaged in the training as a positive experience, and all came away extended in some direction.

    Worth every cent in both time and effort !! Thanks so much for the availability of the course, and all your valuable research and advice.

    Kind regards,

    Sharon and Alexandra Lazidis

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  11. Hi Kris,

    A quick note to say a huge thank you for your hard work and sharing of knowledge over the weekend… You came well recommended so I had high expectations, however I was not prepared for, nor did I expect what we received!

    Words escape me and this is a rare occasion J The information gained is still filtering through, and will do for some time to come I suspect… My understanding of dogs, of handling dogs, and of Drive Work has increased tenfold.

    I am so pleased for Charlie, my canine companion, as not only did he too have an amazing weekend, he now has a handler with a bit more nous, who is better equipped to develop him to his full potential and give him what he needs!

    Charlie is the most amazing dog, and nothing he achieves surprises me… until this weekend. You were able to get so much from him – he had it to give, he hadn't been asked before. You asked, and he stepped up… and he will keep stepping up. He has shown himself, under your guidance, to have the strength of character required to ‘do the job’…

    His training has been progressing wonderfully well under our current trainers… he has now proven himself to have what is required to progress to the next level – all because you showed his Handler what is appropriate, what is required and how to achieve it.

    Thank you Kris – I still haven’t lost the smile, and nor has Charlie!! I hope its not too long before you can make it back here to Perth and I hope we can make it to Sydney in (April) 2013 J

    Take care

    Lynne Blake - Western Australia

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  12. One weekend with Kris is not enough, so much to learn in so little time. Kris has a wealth of information that really needs to be absorbed over time and fully understood to allow all handlers and decoys a chance to put into practice all they learn.

    I recommend Kris’s seminars to anyone wanting to work a high drive dog in any sport or anyone just wishing to understand dogs better. No matter how many seminars you have been to, whether from Kris or another trainer, you will always take away some vital piece of information that will increase your knowledge and make you a better, more informed trainer.

    I can’t wait for Kris’s next seminar in WA, I will definitely be there. Thank you for all the information you shared and for supporting other dog trainers and enthusiasts to increase their knowledge and love of high drive dogs.

    Thanks for a great weekend, really enjoyed it and Morf wanted to continue the fun today (though my knee didn't!!). Plus we might have a German Shepherd convert in Stacey, might not be more Border Collies in her home now.

    Kim Rance - Western Australia

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  13. My name is Iacovos Iacovou, I am a German Shepherd owner and I live in Cyprus.

    I had the privilege in attending a seminar held by Kris Kotsopoulos held by the Rottweiler Club of Cyprus. I enjoyed the seminar so much that I also had some private lessons.

    I wanted to say that I would definitely recommend to all dog owners, whatever the application they wish from their dog to seek assistance from Kris as his knowledge on the animal behavior is impressive to say the least.

    Kris gave me immediate solutions to all my problems.

    Kris is very patient and eager to help people understand not only how to train their dogs but also the reason you do a certain exercise in order to create the correct meaning/feeling of the exercise for the dog. He teaches you how to "read" your dog and be able to react and counter accordingly in order to not damage your dogs character or associations. He believes that many owners give their dogs the incorrect information without even know it. I know that I did.

    IF ANYONE TRULY WANTS TO ACHIEVE GREATNESS WITH YOUR DOG I RECOMMEND VISITING KRIS KOTSOPOULOS AS YOU WILL NEVER COME AWAY WITH FAR MORE THAT YOU ANTICIPATE.

    Iacovos Iacovou

    Cyprus

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  14. On the 25th & 26th of August 2012 I attended a decoy training seminar that was presented by Kris Kotsopoulos of Von Forell Kennels. The seminar was held at Pet Resorts Australia, Dural NSW.

    The workshop was based on TRAINING and MENTAL TACTICS for WORKING DOGS.

    The information and knowledge that I received from the weekend was tremendous. All instructions were clear and informative. Kris very openly answered all questions that were asked by all through out the weekend. They were answered with his complete and utmost honesty. This, in my opinion is a trait that is rarely seen in the working dog world and something that i had never en-counted until I participated in this great event.

    All of Kris's decoy work was timed to perfection and precise. His training tactics and methods were something that I had not seen anyone employ here in this country before. This to me shows Kris's extreme dedication to dog training here in Australia to keep all us working dog enthusiast's up to date with the training methods which are used all over the world.

    I cant thank Kris enough for all the knowledge that i obtained over the weekend. I highly recommend this seminar and the many others that Kris and Von Forell present.

    Thanks again to Kris of Von Forell and Pet Resorts Australia.

    Kind regards

    Loz Bezzina Newcastle Australia

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  15. I attended Kris Kotsopoulos' from Von Forell Decoy / Drive Fulfillment seminar in August 2012. There were people attending from all different backgrounds from the experienced to the novice.

    I got the feeling that everyone had a great weekend and learnt a lot...I know i did! Kris is a man with so much knowledge of working dogs and how to get the best from them...

    Every time I am with Kris I walk away with a small ingot of Gold (a piece to the puzzle that helps my training).

    The venue was first class thanks to Glen and David of Pet Resorts Australia and the seminar was divided up really well between theory and great practical demonstrations.

    I really like how Kris could read each dog and bring the best out of them in such a short time.

    On a scale of 1 to 10 I would have to rate the whole weekend as a nine...to get ten it would have to go for another day! Kris's seminars are awesome.

    Stephen Williams Newcastle - Australia

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  16. The girls from Geelong Animal Rescue would like to thank you for the workshop that you provided. We came to you willing to learn as much as we could, and we left very happy.

    After spending just one day with you, we have come away with knowledge that would have taken years to develop on our own. We were all amazed at how knowledgable Kris is, and how willing to be open and honest he is.

    A great mix of theory, practical, and hands on led to a very enjoyable day.

    Kris has opened our eyes to how we would like to run our organisation, and has provided us with the tools that will support our decisions. He gave real life examples, and offered realsitic suggestions for some of our hard questions.

    We defiantely came away with a much better understanding of a dogs behaviour and temperament.

    The facilities and trainer were top quality and the time flew by. The support and ongoing assistance offered to us has not been offered to our group before, so it was a refreshing change for a fledgling organisation.

    We will be back for more...this could become addictive.

    Thank you again,

    Cass Langdon
    Geelong Animal Rescue GAR Ltd
    Director
    0433667879

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  17. Kris,

    As you are aware I have been wanting to attend your workshop for four years. After gathering as much information I could from your website (and anything else related on the web) I decided to contact you and discuss your methods of training.

    Our first communication was through e-mail. I was impressed with your honest passion for breeding, training and passing on your knowledge of German Shepherds and your beloved Doberman. Since this first contact we have had many interesting discussions via e-mail and telephone.

    Due to obstacles in life we all experience, I found I had to wait four years before being able to attend your workshop. After I booked and pulled out of the last workshop due to illness in the family, your understanding of my situation and ability to relate was not only greatly appreciated, but further proved to me that you were a real person.

    At last, I arrived in Melbourne on a cold, rainy and foggy day. Driving up to your kennels the weather just got worse. As I arrived early, the day before the workshop I gave you a call and you most kindly said. “drop in for a coffee and a chat about the dogs. No need to ask twice; I was there in a flash. Meeting you in person only confirmed your passion for your dogs. Your honesty and trust to openly discuss your lines, breeding and training techniques.

    The weekend was an eye opener and more informative than I ever dreamed. Through your passion, knowledge and skill I have been motivated to continue my efforts to learn more and improve my skills.

    As I found when I was reading your book, “How to achieve Precision Tracking with your Dog”. Your system of training dogs does not just suit high performance Sport Dogs and Security “Protection Training” but can benefit anyone trying to train their dog or dog trainers training dog owners. This is evident by the people that attended your work shop. Breeders, conformation specialists, competitors, Schutzhund/IPO and pet owners. This workshop is beneficial to ALL forms of dog training at all levels.

    We as dog owners, trainers and breeders need to communicate and work together on a National basis to improve our skills, knowledge and educate the general public on responsible dog ownership. Most of all, we need to keep our working dogs strong and enjoying what they do best. Your National K9 get together is highly anticipated by many and I know I will be there.

    I strongly recommend Von Forell Kennels for all your canine needs. If you are looking for a quality well-bred dog, training, quality equipment, written material or just good advice on working dogs, look no further as I highly recommend Von Forell Australia.

    Thank you Kris,

    Les Simpson
    Sydney – Australia

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  18. Kris has done an outstanding job in his new book. His clarity in compartmentalizing all the foundational building blocks, is logical and attainable. With Kris's decades of world wide traveling experience, both as a serious young student of K-9 behavior, breeding and training all give reason to why he is a sought out international K9 seminar master instructor, he has integrated common sense, science and progressive Canine training to produce a viable and quality program.

    The strength in this system is the global approach he describes from defining the most basic task at hand, to clarifying the dogs perspective to understand, to the bench marks needed to go to the next level. The results of implementing this thorough and progressive protocol, are clearly leading to the formation of solid nose working teams around the globe.

    This is a game changer when it comes to the traditional educational and instructional text, that normally ends up as a better book end, than podium producer, bottom line when you become a student of this system and do the steps as prescribed, it works!

    Scott Sanchez
    Vice President of
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  19. My name is Mike Diehl. I am a K9 handler/trainer for the Indianapolis Metro Police Department in Indiana USA. I am also active in competing in the sport of schutzhund. Tracking is an area that always fascinates me. Its probably my favorite training discipline.

    I read the book that Kris wrote from start to finish and don't think that I even laid it down once. I was amazed at he breaks down every step into simple pieces of the tracking puzzle.

    I often go back to the book and re-read sections as I am training my dog. This book is a MUST read for anyone that wants a reliable tracking dog... sport or police!

    Mike Diehl
    K9 handler/trainer for the Indianapolis Metro Police Department in Indiana USA.

    2000 and 2002 National Police Dog Champion, a 2X IDM World Team Member, 2X Mid-Eastern Regional Champion, 2X North American Championship competitor, and a 5X National competitor. Currently I am the Chairman for the Schutzhund USA K9 Committee.

    Please free to contact me anytime at k9diehl@aol.com.

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  20. Dear Kris,

    I am sending this testimonial to thank you for the opportunity to attend your workshop as it has given me many ideas to use in training our show dogs and to improve temperament in our breed.

    Being involved with German Shepherds since the mid 70’s in obedience and show I have been always looking to learn new methods to improve my dogs performance and I only wish we had come in contact earlier as I feel our breed could have been further ahead than what it already is.

    With your open teaching methods I feel all who attended did not feel intimidated and as such were able to take in more valuable information than that of other seminars I have attended.

    Now that I have attended your workshop I feel motivated to try your methods on my own dogs and when I instruct at my local breed club so I hope in the longer term we can all have better dogs in the show ring/breed survey/and to pass on to their progeny that we sell to the members of the general public as their pet.

    Wishing you every success with your dogs and I look forward to keeping in contact in the future.

    Regards,

    Alastair Henderson

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  21. Hi Kris,

    I have read your book twice. I am blown away by the simplicity and logic of your method. All the difficult areas of tracking are really anticipated and "cured" before they occur! It even addresses one of the biggest tracking problems we have in the Southern U.S. - fire ants, which swarm on the food on the track, turning a reward into a punishment.

    Since the dog starts out tracking for articles - no ants, no bites, no problem! I also applaud your detailed explanation on how to introduce and train with a remote collar. I know I need to use some sort of stim to get faster response and greater attention in other areas, but was not sure how one goes about educating the dog in the new communication system.

    In that vein, some of your most insightful words are found on pages 14 and 15. When I reread them, I realized they are not only aimed at those of us who have preconceived ideas of how something should be done, but can just as easily apply to the canine/human communication. Dogs who haven't been taught what the stim means and how the system works, cannot be expected to comply. Upping the voltage in hopes of compliance is like speaking progressively louder English to a non English speaker. He may eventually stumble upon what you want, but chances are he would not respond correctly the next time he heard those words. In short, he still didn't understand what you were saying. Eventually learning will occur, but how much stress could have been avoided by an attempt to communicate better.

    I suspect your book may be pooh poohed by many members of the schutzhund community - not because of the e collars, which they use (some heinously, some appropriately) - but because people don't realize the former system is flawed until they have problems and then it is blamed on the dog and force is introduced to "work through it." If one truly believes in positive training and back chaining etc., this system is a no brainer. My husband is getting his own dog in coming months and we will definitely use this system from the beginning.

    As for my dog, I actually performed your various tests to insure that she knows what she is tracking. She is having some trouble with the hour old track, which I have been walking rather than scuffing. She veers off occasionally, but comes right back. I can tell she is working and she corrects herself. I think I let her build up steam before telling her to slow (handler error) and that is causing mistakes.

    With the weaker ground disturbance odor, she has got to work a bit harder. I am just so unused to speed being a problem with this dog. I know we will get this, though.

    Ps...Just got back from tracking an hour aged Sch 3 track - she nailed it even through puddles. So much fun!

    Thanks for your good work

    Jay Tullis - Tyrone, GA USA

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  22. For years I have been struggling with the conventional methods of training with regards to Tracking and I encountered, two ends of the spectrum in the main. The use of food as a manipulator to get the tracking per footstep and this brought the dog to a certain level.

    On the other end you have the forced track, which is basically useless in certain endeavours like Law Enforcement. But Kris' methods go way beyond, conventional training. It is so simple and easy to follow I wondered why no one else came up with this methodology before. but therein lies the genius. because once you start to really apply the method, you really start to see the direct effects it has on your training and the confidence you have in your dog's understanding of what is asked.

    Kris' methodology takes into account the way dog's perceive the scent stimulus, and what is necessary to have reliable results, every time you track. By proofing it under this method I am sure my dog is tracking the article laid by a human in every setting.
    For me it is a quantum leap in application of understanding of dog's physiology and psychology when it comes to them receiving the scent information and proper harnessing of such into a performance event.

    Whether it is the competition field or the streets, Kris' precision tracking is worth a read, and a re-read for every level !

    On a personal note, I have to recommend Kris' work in this book and also Kris as a consultant as he has been so meticulous and generous with his advice to me. It is clear he comes from a point of well researched knowledge and experience and is willing to share it to assist others.

    Thanks again Kris.

    Vithala Singh Miami Florida USA

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  23. I operate a business in Canada called Trackers Edge. Amongst other things, I evaluate products and services for potential clients. I am independent and do not advise the business or service I am evaluating of my intentions so as to be treated as a regular customer. I have acquired every noteworthy tracking book I have heard of. I am interested in tracking with and without a dog.

    I stumbled upon "How To Achieve Precision Tracking With Your Dog" while doing ongoing research on the internet. I had a gut feeling about this book which is written by Kris Kotsopoulos. I ordered it right away and was surprised at how fast it arrived from the other side of the world. I was not disappointed. The book is well organized and clear. It is an ideal training manual. Most books of this nature have a tendency to repeat what has been written before on the topic.

    This is not plagiarism, but rather due to the fact that most people do not think outside of the box. There are as many "experts" in this field as there are dogs. The refreshing thing about this book is that Kris has taken information gained by past research and assembled it in an orderly fashion that all can understand. Equally refreshing is the fact that Kris clearly states that there is more than one way to do things. He looks at the big picture and even has some noteworthy philosophical comments that are enlightening. His sections on clickers and electronic training collars are some of the clearest and best written chapters that I have read on the topics.

    You may not agree with everything in the book, but that is the whole point he makes. As opposed to forcing a set of rules down your throat he presents what he believes to be valid ideas with the hopes that you will use these ideas as you would any other tools, in the right way and under the right circumstances. There are many fine books out there on tracking by many fine people. This book is definitely on my top two list. I believe you should have an whole arsenal of training books. Read them all if you can as each has something to offer, but if you can only read a couple make this book one of them.


    How To Achieve Precision Tracking With Your Dog” www.precisiontrackingdogs.com

    • Achieve greater accuracy in your tracking?
    • Increase scent commitment?
    • Eliminate the possibility of your dog missing articles?
    • Prevent overshooting of corners?
    • Slow your dog down without destroying motivation?
    • Integrate the clicker and remote trainer?
    • Learn how to plan and lay a track for success?
    • Introduce and teach corners accurately?
    • Understand you dog’s olfactory ability?
    • Target the fundamentals of tracking?
    • Shape behaviour for competition?
    • Understand the importance of lead finesse?

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  24. My name is Curt Rodebaugh, USA.

    I just received Kris's new book about tracking/training. Whilst I am new to the Schutzhund world, I currently put the foundation work on police K9s as a civilian. This book is a must read for anyone who trains working dogs. It not only goes into very detailed description on how to attain precision tracking, but also leads the trainer to success in the other disciplines with our working dogs (i.e foundation principles). This is really a must read! Way to go Kris and I can't wait for your next book.

    Regards, Curt Rodenbaugh USA

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  25. Hey Kris,

    I just wanted to thank you again for your book How to Achieve Precision Tracking. My dog and I just received a 98 in our first ever tracking trial - an FH1 at that! I must admit I was nervous because many of the big names in IPO were there watching. Once Ivy hit that first article, I knew she had it covered. The judge, Mike West (SVF) said she was a joy to watch. The other judge, Karoly Meszaros, told my trainer he should get me to help him with tracking! (I did lend him your book.) As we finished checking out, Ivy went over to the track layer and nudged him. We weren't sure whether she was saying, "nice track" or " I found you" but she got her point across and we all laughed.

    Just as we teach every other exercise one piece at a time, you have broken tracking down into the basic pieces. The tests you provide for proofing the behavior show whether the dog truly understands exactly what he is tracking (my guess is many aren't sure whether it is decayed ground scent, human scent infused articles, or hot dogs.) They are also good confidence builders for handler and dog. We do "find the human scent" test just as a game sometimes.

    I told you when I first read your book that the greatest resistance would be that it was too simple. There was a guy at the trial who had been a big fan of your book last fall. When he congratulated me, I told him we owed a lot to "our Aussie friend." He looked sad and said his trainer had told him all that was silly and would cause a high nose. He had gone back to scuffing and cutting hot dogs. Meanwhile his dog's tracking had gotten worse.I thought this was ironic because his trainer was just telling my trainer the day before that he had sent his giant schnauzer to Julio because he wouldn't track well. It so happens that Julio was the track layer at this particular trial. I told my friend to dig out his book and give it to his trainer and Julio and say that Ivy sent it.

    Jay Tullis - USA

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  26. 11th April 2013

    A huge thank you for the fantastic 2 day seminar which was held at the German Shepherd Dog Association grounds in Perth on the 6th & 7th April 2013.

    There was an attendance of around 50 enthusiasts and these included members from the German Shepherd, Rottweiler & Doberman clubs, plus of course others. The focus of the seminar was developing prey drive using a variety of stimulus and reward to gain superb results.

    I have been involved as an obedience instructor for a number of years and by attending your seminar with an open mind, ready to learn, I came away from the seminar with a much better understanding of how to get the best from the animals under training. I am sure I can incorporate, into our training program, many of the training methods that you covered during the week-end. Kris, you have a very positive manner when talking to the group and your comments were always informative, concise and went straight to the point. The knowledge that you passed on to us will be of great benefit whether it is used in the show or obedience field.

    There was no suggestion of using aggression or tagging while training and the emphasis was always about positive learning which in turn will allow your dog to perform to its best ability by wanting to do what you require to receive his reward.

    Thank you again for a very positive week-end and I look forward to the next time you are over here in the West. I have absolutely no hesitation in recommending your seminars to anyone who wants to improve the drive of their dog and who wants to get the best out of their dog.

    Ian Marr, Life Member and President, German Shepherd Dog Association of WA

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  27. 22nd April 2013

    Hi Kris,

    RE: Obedience in Drive Workshop – Perth, Western Australia 6th and 7th April 2013

    I would like to personally thank you for conducting the “Obedience in Drive” workshop and I would also like to extend my gratitude to Canine Education and Training (CET) for hosting this event. I don’t believe I can adequately express the value of attending your workshop.

    Of course, I can expound the knowledge I have gained; the training tools and system of training were presented in a logical and informative manner. The practical demonstrations using a variety of dogs consolidated learning. However, your workshop delivered much more than its placard claimed.

    While the subject content appeared to be directed at high level obedience for competition using high drive working dogs, I was amazed at the actual versatility of the workshop. You were able to explain and demonstrate dog training concepts in order to cater for attendee’s backgrounds, experience and requirements. Whether a breeder, pet dog owner, behaviourist, competitor or trainer, the information you provided was applicable and relevant.

    However, the outstanding and undeniable highlight of the workshop was being witness to your dog training/handling approach. During the practical session, you accounted for the individual differences in each dog and made adjustments to training accordingly. You were genuinely humane, sensitive to the dogs’ needs and balanced in the way you approached each dog whilst still achieving incredible results.

    I left your workshop tired, challenged and inspired! Thank you!

    Cheers
    Lina Femia-Moore

    PS. Weeks later, I am still challenged and inspired, just not so tired 

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