Tobias 3rd Seminar In Australia
email info@vonforell.com
Tobias Oleynik from Germany
This interview was conducted by:
Kris & Tonia Kotsopoulos - Von Forell Kennels Australia with
Tobias Oleynik from
Germany.
Von Forell:
Hello Tobias thank you for giving us this opportunity to conduct an interview with you.
Hello Tobias thank you for giving us this opportunity to conduct an interview with you.
Tobias:
The pleasure is all mine.
The pleasure is all mine.
Von Forell:
Well let’s start from the beginning, tell us how you got involved in training dog or being around the
dogs in general?
Well let’s start from the beginning, tell us how you got involved in training dog or being around the
dogs in general?
Tobias:
I grew up in a small village with around 800 inhabitants. Since I was a young boy I
loved animals. Nearby our neighbourhood there was a flock of sheep. I almost spent every
afternoon with the shepherd Norbert. I was fond of the sheep and the dogs also. So it ended up
that small Tobias at the age of 12 years took care of a herd with 2000 sheep during the summer
holidays. It was amazing to work with the dogs! And the extra money was a nice benefit . Usually I
had 2 German shepherds with me. “Prinz“ and “Funny“ were their names and both of them
did a great job every! I was impressed with what a dog was able to do with a good education.
Furthermore I loved teaching them tricks during the day. I have to admit that this was one of the
most interesting part of every single day for me. I became highly motivated about what was possible
and I wanted to know more about Dog Training. Fortunately there was a Dog Training place in my
small village, which is called Albrechts by the way. I decided to pay this club a visit. Amazing,
exiting, these were my thoughts after seeing what was possible! And I wanted to become a dog
handler! Unfortunately it took 2 more years until I was able to convince my parents (Ines &
Andreas). The rest is history...
I grew up in a small village with around 800 inhabitants. Since I was a young boy I
loved animals. Nearby our neighbourhood there was a flock of sheep. I almost spent every
afternoon with the shepherd Norbert. I was fond of the sheep and the dogs also. So it ended up
that small Tobias at the age of 12 years took care of a herd with 2000 sheep during the summer
holidays. It was amazing to work with the dogs! And the extra money was a nice benefit . Usually I
had 2 German shepherds with me. “Prinz“ and “Funny“ were their names and both of them
did a great job every! I was impressed with what a dog was able to do with a good education.
Furthermore I loved teaching them tricks during the day. I have to admit that this was one of the
most interesting part of every single day for me. I became highly motivated about what was possible
and I wanted to know more about Dog Training. Fortunately there was a Dog Training place in my
small village, which is called Albrechts by the way. I decided to pay this club a visit. Amazing,
exiting, these were my thoughts after seeing what was possible! And I wanted to become a dog
handler! Unfortunately it took 2 more years until I was able to convince my parents (Ines &
Andreas). The rest is history...
Von Forell:
Before we get into it please detail a list of your accomplishments?
Before we get into it please detail a list of your accomplishments?
Tobias
I started in 1997 to train dogs. Since that time others around me and I accomplished almost everything in the SV-
Club.
Here`s a small conclusion:
I started in 1997 to train dogs. Since that time others around me and I accomplished almost everything in the SV-
Club.
Here`s a small conclusion:
Tobias
Junior Champion - Regionals
3rd
place German Junior Championship
2nd Place LG-FCI Nordrheinland
1st Place Bundes FCI
2nd Place Bundessiegerprüfung
7th
Place WUSV-WM
Trained Team
Champion Regionals a several times (
LG-Nordrheinland )
2 x times Campion of the BSP -
Bundessiegerprüfung German Shepherd Club
2 x times Vice-Champion of the BSP
1 x Vice World Champion
Only the World Champion Title is
missing...
Von Forell:
I friend of mine in New Zealand emailed me your video you put on You tube and when I
saw the behavior in your dog I was very impressed. I was impressed because I know what it takes
to get those results, tell us your philosophy on dog training in obedience?
I friend of mine in New Zealand emailed me your video you put on You tube and when I
saw the behavior in your dog I was very impressed. I was impressed because I know what it takes
to get those results, tell us your philosophy on dog training in obedience?
Tobias:
“I love it when a plan comes together“ Quote - Hannibal Smith / A-Team
And therefore it`s always good to have a plan.
In my opinion good dog training consist of 4 Phases:
1. Show your dog what he has to do.
2. Motivate your dog to do something.
3. Motivate your dog even he is not motivated (stimulus control).
4. CMS - Conflict Management System.
According to this a lot of dog handlers miss the first step I believe. They usually start by only motivating a dog to do something instead of showing him an exercise. So they are well prepared as long as the dog does what they want.
Now….this system is quite simple:
The dog does something and therefore he gets something. Bottom line there is a consequence if the dog obeys.
But sooner or later the day will come when your dog is not obeying. For this day you must to be prepared!
And how are you to be prepared is the question that arises:
Is it really necessary to achieve stimulus control? YES! For the dogs own security and for the security of his environment! Achieving this is where the dog achieves clarity and it is the ”go“ and “no go“ possibilities that the dog learns from.
“I love it when a plan comes together“ Quote - Hannibal Smith / A-Team
And therefore it`s always good to have a plan.
In my opinion good dog training consist of 4 Phases:
1. Show your dog what he has to do.
2. Motivate your dog to do something.
3. Motivate your dog even he is not motivated (stimulus control).
4. CMS - Conflict Management System.
According to this a lot of dog handlers miss the first step I believe. They usually start by only motivating a dog to do something instead of showing him an exercise. So they are well prepared as long as the dog does what they want.
Now….this system is quite simple:
The dog does something and therefore he gets something. Bottom line there is a consequence if the dog obeys.
But sooner or later the day will come when your dog is not obeying. For this day you must to be prepared!
And how are you to be prepared is the question that arises:
Is it really necessary to achieve stimulus control? YES! For the dogs own security and for the security of his environment! Achieving this is where the dog achieves clarity and it is the ”go“ and “no go“ possibilities that the dog learns from.
Von Forell:
Since you commenced training dogs as a young man how has it changed over the years?
Since you commenced training dogs as a young man how has it changed over the years?
Tobias:
It has changed a lot! People today do know much more about different varieties of dog training.
It has changed a lot! People today do know much more about different varieties of dog training.
Von Forell:
The result you achieved with KUBA your German Shepherd displays excellent motivation. How much
of that behaviour is attributed to KUBA as a dog or the training systems?
The result you achieved with KUBA your German Shepherd displays excellent motivation. How much
of that behaviour is attributed to KUBA as a dog or the training systems?
Tobias:
Actually Kuba is a quit lazy dog. He enjoys to lay on the couch and do nothing. But as the most of its
kind he is an egotistic for a better word. You have to understand how a dog learns and why he is
doing something! So finally I think that the behaviour is attributed to the training system and less to
Kuba`s attitude.
Actually Kuba is a quit lazy dog. He enjoys to lay on the couch and do nothing. But as the most of its
kind he is an egotistic for a better word. You have to understand how a dog learns and why he is
doing something! So finally I think that the behaviour is attributed to the training system and less to
Kuba`s attitude.
Von Forell:
I have also witnessed an incredible improvement in the quality of the Genetics what do you think?
I have also witnessed an incredible improvement in the quality of the Genetics what do you think?
Tobias:
Is it the genetics what we improved or is it the way of training that make it looks like? On the one
hand we have had very good dogs in the past as well and on the other hand we still have a lot of
diseases in our breed.
But we can't deny that people today have a lot more knowledge about breeding as well. And
hopefully they will use it to improve the genetics and not there own budget.
In the Show business there is a speech: ”Sex sells!“
I noticed something similar in our Working German shepherd breed: ”Titles Sell!“ Of course every
breeder wants to better the genetics. But finally he needs to sell his puppies. And a puppy after a
good titled dog like a champion is much easier to sell. I am afraid that a lot of breeders consider this
as well when they choose the breed partner for their dogs and perhaps not the correct dog.
Is it the genetics what we improved or is it the way of training that make it looks like? On the one
hand we have had very good dogs in the past as well and on the other hand we still have a lot of
diseases in our breed.
But we can't deny that people today have a lot more knowledge about breeding as well. And
hopefully they will use it to improve the genetics and not there own budget.
In the Show business there is a speech: ”Sex sells!“
I noticed something similar in our Working German shepherd breed: ”Titles Sell!“ Of course every
breeder wants to better the genetics. But finally he needs to sell his puppies. And a puppy after a
good titled dog like a champion is much easier to sell. I am afraid that a lot of breeders consider this
as well when they choose the breed partner for their dogs and perhaps not the correct dog.
Von Forell:
There has always been that big question of Nature vs Nurture what are your thoughts on this and
how important are the two ?
There has always been that big question of Nature vs Nurture what are your thoughts on this and
how important are the two ?
Tobias:
In the past there was only one reason why we bred working dogs: to WORK with them! If a
Newfoundlander is afraid of water, if a hunting dog is going over a hill because he sees a duck or if a
police protection dog is scared from a burglar then this should be a wake up call! You can really train
and teach a lot but you can't fight against nature! Therefor genetics is critical yet training can do
a lot if you now how.
In the past there was only one reason why we bred working dogs: to WORK with them! If a
Newfoundlander is afraid of water, if a hunting dog is going over a hill because he sees a duck or if a
police protection dog is scared from a burglar then this should be a wake up call! You can really train
and teach a lot but you can't fight against nature! Therefor genetics is critical yet training can do
a lot if you now how.
Von Forell:
Do you like using food for training and why or why not?
Do you like using food for training and why or why not?
Tobias:
I love to work with food! Its a great way to teach a dog an exercise or train technical skills. The dog
learns much more easier in a low drive level. Therefore I use food in the beginning. Later if the dog
understand his exercise and he is doing a better “Job“ of course I am going to pay him better! For
example with a toy.
I love to work with food! Its a great way to teach a dog an exercise or train technical skills. The dog
learns much more easier in a low drive level. Therefore I use food in the beginning. Later if the dog
understand his exercise and he is doing a better “Job“ of course I am going to pay him better! For
example with a toy.
Von Forell:
Do you breed ?
Do you breed ?
Tobias:
No. I am just an ordinary dog trainer.
No. I am just an ordinary dog trainer.
Von Forell:
Tell us about your routine with dog daily?
Tell us about your routine with dog daily?
Tobias:
I walk my dog in the morning like every one. Usually I combine the daily walks with some
exercises. This is where my dog can have his breakfast. During the day I have to work either in my
office or on the training field of my Dog School. My dog is always with me except when I travel to
other countries. As soon as I finish my work I go and train my dog either in physical or IPO exercises.
I don't do that much but the constant dropping wears the stone! Meaning small shaping exercises
create the final picture.
I walk my dog in the morning like every one. Usually I combine the daily walks with some
exercises. This is where my dog can have his breakfast. During the day I have to work either in my
office or on the training field of my Dog School. My dog is always with me except when I travel to
other countries. As soon as I finish my work I go and train my dog either in physical or IPO exercises.
I don't do that much but the constant dropping wears the stone! Meaning small shaping exercises
create the final picture.
Von Forell:
Tell us how you prepare for the WUSV?
Tell us how you prepare for the WUSV?
Tobias:
Luckily I was allowed to prepare a lot of dogs with different kind of handlers during the last years. I
have to disappoint you if you expect something special. A test is a test! There is no difference if I
prepare my dog for his very first BH test or the WUSV. In both cases I do need a dog that is in a great
physical and psychological shape! The teaser is more when are you and your dog ready for a test?
Later in a test the dog has to work without a leash and without a ball! Let me emphasize this:
Consider you're teaching your child how to swim. Therefore you are using helping tools for this, for
example a pair of arm wings. After a couple of month and really hard training you decide together
to participate in a swim contest. And now comes the kicker: Shortly before the start your child is
asking you for his arm wings!
In my opinion most dogs are not sufficiently prepared enough for a test, and my mission is to show
people how to be prepared.
Von Forell:
Luckily I was allowed to prepare a lot of dogs with different kind of handlers during the last years. I
have to disappoint you if you expect something special. A test is a test! There is no difference if I
prepare my dog for his very first BH test or the WUSV. In both cases I do need a dog that is in a great
physical and psychological shape! The teaser is more when are you and your dog ready for a test?
Later in a test the dog has to work without a leash and without a ball! Let me emphasize this:
Consider you're teaching your child how to swim. Therefore you are using helping tools for this, for
example a pair of arm wings. After a couple of month and really hard training you decide together
to participate in a swim contest. And now comes the kicker: Shortly before the start your child is
asking you for his arm wings!
In my opinion most dogs are not sufficiently prepared enough for a test, and my mission is to show
people how to be prepared.
Von Forell:
Other than the obvious pressure you would be experiencing during the big competition, how much
do you think the dog feels when you are pressured.
Tobias:
I think dogs are very sensitive and they can feel when we are under pressure. But isn´t it rather the
case that handlers are under pressure because they are nervous? Nervous if their dog is doing all
his exercises like they are used to in training?
What if your dog is prepared enough for the test and you can count on your dog?
I am guessing you wouldn't be that nervous…
I think dogs are very sensitive and they can feel when we are under pressure. But isn´t it rather the
case that handlers are under pressure because they are nervous? Nervous if their dog is doing all
his exercises like they are used to in training?
What if your dog is prepared enough for the test and you can count on your dog?
I am guessing you wouldn't be that nervous…
Von Forell:
Are there any lesson from you for competitors?
Are there any lesson from you for competitors?
Tobias:
Hope for the best. Be prepared for the worst!
Hope for the best. Be prepared for the worst!
Von Forell:
You are coming to Australia in March / April 2014 what are your plans for Australia?
You are coming to Australia in March / April 2014 what are your plans for Australia?
Tobias:
I am curious to get to know the people and the country. The plan is to do 3 Seminars in a row over
18 months. One in Melbourne and the other one the weekend after in Sydney. Both Seminars are
the foundation of my entire training system. Unfortunately it is not possible to explain, show and
describe everything in just 2 days. For this reason I am going to revisit Australia three times with a
succession plan teach the entire system from A to Z. I´d like to hand a manual to the handlers which
shows how to built an exercise from the very beginning to a competition dog. That is my aim. Too
many seminars are done to try and cram small ideas into a few days of work and participants miss
the whole picture. This way I will deliver so much more and between each seminar the participants
can work on their dogs and have them ready for the next two workshops.
I am curious to get to know the people and the country. The plan is to do 3 Seminars in a row over
18 months. One in Melbourne and the other one the weekend after in Sydney. Both Seminars are
the foundation of my entire training system. Unfortunately it is not possible to explain, show and
describe everything in just 2 days. For this reason I am going to revisit Australia three times with a
succession plan teach the entire system from A to Z. I´d like to hand a manual to the handlers which
shows how to built an exercise from the very beginning to a competition dog. That is my aim. Too
many seminars are done to try and cram small ideas into a few days of work and participants miss
the whole picture. This way I will deliver so much more and between each seminar the participants
can work on their dogs and have them ready for the next two workshops.
Von Forell:
Your plan is to allocate 30 positions for people only in your workshop and this is deliberate can you
explain why?
Your plan is to allocate 30 positions for people only in your workshop and this is deliberate can you
explain why?
Tobias:
“Quality Instead of Quantity!“
For this reason there are only 30 people permitted. So we have enough time to go through all the
exercises and people can feel free to ask their questions. In this way I guess it is much more
effective for every single participant. I find that the group grows much faster and is better prepared
to meet challenges.
“Quality Instead of Quantity!“
For this reason there are only 30 people permitted. So we have enough time to go through all the
exercises and people can feel free to ask their questions. In this way I guess it is much more
effective for every single participant. I find that the group grows much faster and is better prepared
to meet challenges.
Von Forell:
Thank you Tobias and I appreciate your time and I look forward in seeing you in April 2014.
Tobias:
My pleasure and I look forward to meeting you all in Australia.
Please see Audio Interview with Tobias - HIGH IN TRIAL INTERVIEW WITH TOBIAS OLEYNIK
Thank you Tobias and I appreciate your time and I look forward in seeing you in April 2014.
Tobias:
My pleasure and I look forward to meeting you all in Australia.
Please see Audio Interview with Tobias - HIGH IN TRIAL INTERVIEW WITH TOBIAS OLEYNIK
Von Forell Instinctive Training
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Tobias’ successes – BSP 8th 2003, LG FCI 2nd 2011, Sieger Bundes FCI 2011, Vizebundessieger 2011
7. Platz WUSV 2001. WUSV Best Obedience with 98 P, Vize-Mannschaftsweltmeister 2011
Tobias’ training capabilities are displayed in these two videos
Von Forell Instinctive Training Systems
Von Forell Instinctive Training Systems’ aim is to provide initiatives that offer practical and effective solutions to the management and education of Companion and Competition Dogs.
Our weekend with Tobias Oleynik from Germany
Australia has always been left behind in the acquisition of information regarding canines because of its geographical isolation. However, due to the internet and other modes of information sharing there has recently been an immense amount of knowledge passed on by some brilliant minds. This has been especially so in the last 8 years.
If we encourage the dog with motivation and provide energy, his work is exciting for him. However, with this comes the likelihood of mistakes. On the other hand, in a dog that has developed a high level of concentration for his commands we get to see technically flawless responses. For many handlers, these responses are believed to be out of reach and their work usually lacks joyful execution and speed.
The question is, "How do I communicate what I want to my dog?"
Our Mission with Tobias
Our mission is to inspire you to the point that you want to keep learning and for you to be the best you can be. Tobias’ direction is to enrol 30 people to participate in three seminars. The three coming seminars will be spaced over 18 months and will be delivered in a system that will provide you with structured lesson plans from the beginning. The first seminar will set the foundation of Tobias’ system and the following two seminars will follow through with you, all the way on how to achieve world standard capability. Tobias’ aim is to make everyone a champion. If you are interested in achieving these results then please consider the three planned seminars, with the first allocated for March / April 2014.
Our Mission with Tobias
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Strictly only 30 Positions Available In Each City - Melbourne and Sydney
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